tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2707703066300530859.post5259481010232004950..comments2024-03-15T02:09:23.712-06:00Comments on for the love of learning: Why Punishment FailsAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15047405950514440042noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2707703066300530859.post-7822800730533503982013-02-08T14:12:33.967-07:002013-02-08T14:12:33.967-07:00Alfie Kohn, to quote Stephen Krashen, walks on wat...Alfie Kohn, to quote Stephen Krashen, walks on water. Of course there is no easy answer to the question, What do we do instead? It requires instrinsic motivation, which is hard to develop, but life-changing when we do. Punishment (and rewards)is all about controlling behavior. Kohn doesn't have a lot of answers, just a tremendous challenge to instill values in our children that will allow them to make the right choices.Mrs. Duboishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09061588652811306988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2707703066300530859.post-23281644420776150692010-10-29T09:25:32.690-06:002010-10-29T09:25:32.690-06:00Thanks, Allan, for the links - a lot of food for t...Thanks, Allan, for the links - a lot of food for thought!Annikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10323598414255519461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2707703066300530859.post-75369276783235486832010-10-27T15:54:59.878-06:002010-10-27T15:54:59.878-06:00Mr. Joe Bower that was interesting your perspectiv...Mr. Joe Bower that was interesting your perspective on discipline in school. Have you proposed your ideas to your school and if so what were their thoughts. With you saying that we need to rethink on how we use discipline in school. Do you think that some of the conventional ways maybe still need in certain situations.T.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13719373375927737766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2707703066300530859.post-64446806197207173342010-10-27T11:35:39.628-06:002010-10-27T11:35:39.628-06:00There are not only 2 ways - punishment or no puni...There are not only 2 ways - punishment or no punishment. The title of Alfie Kohn book 'Beyond discipline , moving from compliance to community ' says it all. Another book ' Lost at school ' by Ross Greene relates to mainly kids who don't respond to traditional discipline because they lack skills. His approach CPS collaborative problem solving not only teaches lacking life skills, promotes relationships and as Alfie kohn says fosters values and community <br /> see http://allankatz-parentingislearning.blogspot.com/2010/10/plan-b-in-school-running-in-hallway.html for an eg how CPS and Alfie Kohn's Unconditional teaching is used in schools <br /><br />here are videos of CPS in action in schools and in the home <br /><br />http://allankatz-parentingislearning.blogspot.com/2010/08/cps-videos.htmlAllanhttp://allankatz-parentingislearning.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2707703066300530859.post-76303667375096454962010-10-27T09:43:13.191-06:002010-10-27T09:43:13.191-06:00I stand on both sides of the fence in this argumen...I stand on both sides of the fence in this argument. <br /><br />I believe that no punishment (or maybe consequences is a better word) is not a good option. I know a family that was raised with no structure. The children were NEVER punished. Now those kids are in their mid to late twenties, and they are struggling to cope with the real world and have very little recognition of consequences for their actions, planning for the future, or empathizing with fellow human beings. <br /><br />I don't see a point in punishing students for the sake of punishing them (though I'm teaching college students), but having zero consequences doesn't work either. If my entire class doesn't do a reading, I'm not letting them off the hook. Since I don't assign reading tests or make them write essays about what they have read, they should at least come prepared to talk about what they have read. When I can tell the majority is unprepared, I usually give them additional writing to do in class. Yes, it is a punishment, but it's not punishment for the sake of punishment. I gear my writing towards a productive end, revealing something they didn't know before. The other day, I had students pair up and google a list of 9 terms from M.L. Pratt's "Arts of the Contact Zone." They each did a mini-presentation on one of the "literate arts of the contact zone" that they hadn't bothered to read or look up if they didn't understand. It was actually very effective because they came away having a whole new toolbox of writing and thinking strategies. <br /><br /><br />At the college level, there isn't too much punishment for the sake of punishment, though. In elementary school, though, time-outs were certainly part of the disciplinary game, followed in middle and high school by detentions and essays. Those were usually ineffective, especially out of school suspension (completely pointless).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09743634961727582102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2707703066300530859.post-20044031918203181272010-10-27T06:22:56.929-06:002010-10-27T06:22:56.929-06:00I am a beginning teacher, just finished my first s...I am a beginning teacher, just finished my first semester at school. I have really enjoyed reading your blog, a lot of what you say resonates with my thoughts and helps me to remind that all is not lost and we as teachers do have choices - not to grade, not to punish, not to simply teach to the test and so on. While I also strongly feel that punishing is not the way to grow responsible, cooperative individuals, I constantly find myself lacking tools to handle the situations otherwise. So what do you do, when a student constantly doesn't bring his textbook to class, is always late, doesn't read any books, even if you've given them a choice on what to read? So far I have tried explaining how their behaviour affects my work and disrupts class, but I don't see any positive changes. <br /><br />So, to sum it up, my question is - yes, punishing is not the way to go, but what is? How to deal with behaviour problems without punishing?Annikahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10323598414255519461noreply@blogger.com